
Photograph by Jeff Shea. A range of north Greenland shield volcanoes eroded by glacier ice so that they more remind of a range of strato-volcanoes.
Earlier today commenter Lucas Wilson asked me about volcanism in Greenland. So, I thought I should write a short piece on what once used to drive the volcanism there.
But let us start with what we today call the Icelandic hotspot. In here we have a tendency to talk about large volcanoes now and then, and sometimes about what is called “super volcanoes” in the media. But, the fact is that Iceland is both the largest volcanic structure on the planet, and also by far the oldest active one.
Let us start with largest. Iceland stands for between one third and half of all the magma on the planet during the last 250 million years. The rate of lava produced is fairly prodigious. Also, few know how long this has been going on. The answer is that it all started far before Iceland was born. Time for a history lesson.
Iceland was born as the Icelandic Hotspot moved close to the Mid Atlantic Rift; Iceland was born from the mid parts to the west and the east. This is as a function of the hotspot giving extra magma to the normal volcanism of the MAR, and thusly building the volcanic edifice known as Iceland as the MAR rifts apart.

Photograph by Ansgar Walk. Trap formation eroded by Glaciers, Ice age glaciation, and coastal erotion. Baffin Island.
Okay, now to the age thing. The Icelandic Hotspot is one of the really few surface expressions on the planet that is stationary. I know, the hotspot per see is not visible, but its effects are. So, as the continents and plates have fun surfing around bumping in to each other they slide over the poor hotspot.
A few tens of millions of years ago it was a part of the North American plate that slid over the Hotspot, and as that broke apart magma pushed through and created Greenland. As the now archipelago of Greenland slid away it lost its capacity to have eruptions pretty permanently.
Before that it was Newfoundland that popped up as it slid over the hotspot. And before that we had the same hotspot creating the largest Large Igneous Province on the planet, the North Arctic Igneous Province (NAIP). Before that Labrador and Baffin Island slid over the NAIP, and that put us at about 95 million years ago. And 130 million years ago it created the Alpha Ridge. Any super volcano will have an inferiority complex to that eruption.
Before that and even further down in time it was known as the Siberian Traps, the largest on land eruption. And now we are back 250 million years in time. Before that things get a bit harder to track.
Here comes an interesting thing. What is today known as the Icelandic Hotspot has been conveying about the same amount of magma since the Siberian Traps. Give or take the eruptive rate has constantly been around 0,5 to 1,5 cubic kilometer per year since day one. And as we all know the average erupted material is only 1 in 20 of the magma that comes up. The rest stays as intrusions or inside magma chambers. So, on an average year the Icelandic Hotspot will loft up 20 cubic kilometers of material.
Now some of you will say something like “Hey dude, it never erupted continuously, so it can not be the same. And dude, the Siberian Traps erupted more material than Iceland”.
The reason for it not having erupted constantly is that it need either pressure enough to crack a continental plate, or the magma had to wait for a spot that was weakened that it could crack. The Siberian Trap was a momentous episode, but the largest separate eruption was “only” 3000 cubic kilometers of lava erupted (Norilsk Deposit). In the end the Siberian Traps is only standing for a slight elevation in erupted material even though a lot of magma had accumulated under the Eurasian plate before onset of eruption. Average erupted material during the Siberian Traps was only twice what Iceland is popping out on average.
We should also remember that eruptions happen in cycles. The Norilsk Deposit is probably a hundred million year event, or in other word, it would take on average 100 000 000 years in between every eruption of that size. It is estimated that it took about a hundred years to erupt that amount. So, on average 30 cubic kilometers per eruption year and that is not a nice thing to be around, but far from what it takes to produce a mass extinction.
We know that there are about 2 to 4 eruptions on the scale of above 10 cubic kilometers in Iceland today per every thousand years. They tend to happen on a 270 year cycle. We also know that every few thousand years we get them in the 30 to 50 cubic kilometers. Most likely those come in about 1000 year cycles, but in various places over Iceland, and on average over time.
About once every 10 000 years we get one upwards to a 100 cubic kilometers. I do not know of any eruption in Iceland significantly larger than that, and would be surprised if anyone finding one. The reason of course is that the MAR creates a fairly open passageway for the magma. Norilsk was happening due to the dense rock of the Eurasian plate storing up magma under it until it cracked, so the necessary magmatic pressure can most likely not build like that in Iceland.
So, now we know that old huge volcanoes cannot erupt again due to the magma-hose being disconnected as the plates slide away from the “gas-station”, and we also know how persistant the hotspot is.
Super volcanoes, well all is relative…
Bonus Riddle from Alan
Many of you might have missed that we tend to have volcanic and geologic riddles every friday in here. Lately we did not have that due to El Hierro taking center stage. But we do know that there are many that love them, so here is bonus riddle. Remember, it should end up in something rocky.
Huh! Last week, I went into a nice bakers – they only had this rock-cake!
CARL


Awesome post! Better be careful when you coin something like “hypervolcano” the 2012′ers may come knocking on your door for that.
I have filed an application for having it trademarked so neither they, nor the media can use it…
You are just awesome in so many ways!!! An event-a-minute!!!
For DebbieZ: check how visible the smoke from the fires is on Modis images today:
http://lance-modis.eosdis.nasa.gov/imagery/subsets/?subset=Canary_Islands.2012198.terra.250m
Specially this one with the artificial colouring:
http://lance-modis.eosdis.nasa.gov/imagery/subsets/?subset=Canary_Islands.2012198.terra.367.250m
Hope all goes well and your house remains safe!!
Wow, thanks for that Ursula. all is well in my house & we are safe – mind you I did get a call from the girl that handles my house insurance this afternoon….thought she might be checking out whether I was about to make a claim, but she assures me she was just concerned about us when she heard my village was at the heart of things….she was only here 3 days ago signing me up, so I suppose I will have to believe it was genuine concern for me, not worrying about the insurance pay out!
Glad you are still safe. I’m sure your insurance girl was concerned – even insurance brokers and bankers have feelings! Take care!
weeeel insurance brokers I can belive, but bankers??? are you having a laugh! xx
Glad you and others seem to be safe, now, DebbieZ.
I experienced similar in Madeira and wondered what on earth was blocking out the sun – red haze around it and then ash falling everywhere.
Hopefully the forest will regenerate quickly and negative impact to people’s homes and livestock will be minimal.
Hi Lakat, thanks for your comment, and I am reassured that someone has gone through a similar experience and can understand how weird it is when the sun is blocked out like that. My previous experience of the forest fires here in Tenerife, makes me believe that the forest will regenerate quite quickly, like Peter Cobbald commented the other day, the bark of these pine trees seems to have some sort of protective effect – on the outside of the trunk they are all charred to bits, but it doesn´t seem to affect the trees ability to grow new leaves(or pines or whatever you call them)…
I think most tropical trees (not the rain forest ones) can cope with fire. In Africa it is normal for areas to be burnt once every couple of years during the dry season – the fires can start through lightning, or be man-made. The grass comes up through the blackened earth as soon as the rains start and loads of flowers and small shrubs soon follow. The trees rarely seem to die and within 6 months it’s impossible to tell where the fire had been, except the layer of ash on the soil. I think this ash adds to the nutrients, so nature recovers quickly. The main danger is to houses and other infrastructure.
What i find really interesting is that the seeds of some trees actually need that fire to char them before than can germinate. What a wonderful design..
oops *before THEY can germinate* Need sleep!
Forest fire are necessary to open the pine cones and expose the seeds inside.
Very nice, again.
Concerning mass extinctions. Hm. Interesting issue. I some years ago came to the conclusion that it’s like always in life, shit rarely happens alone. When you’re in a mess, things come together. A fat meteorite explains a lot of shit happening, but if you look at the very important extinctions, you always find things coming together. Massive volcanism, meteorites, sea level and climate changes. Havy to start being very strict about what was before the other / potential cause and effect stuff… At least for the Dino-killing K/T event I think we can say the hundreds of thousands of cubic kilometers of eruptive stuff sure didn’t make things easier. Don’t fight with me about the exact moment before / after the Chicxulub impact. Not that easy to have precise datation on those. There was a fat impact, and there was massive volcanism, and there was sealevel change at this time around and the existing species had a hard time.
Fun about geology: I was in Tunesia and digged out the 65 million year old iridium layer. Gives you a philosophic moment, you put your life in scale of “things”.
Hypervolcano is a veeeery nice word.
I am though sometimes thinking that the combination of a LIP happening and an impact is to make it too easy.
Main reason is that no LIP known to mankind has done anything worse than the Norils deposit. And that was not actually that horrible. Ontop of that, there is no evidence that they correspond 1 to 1 in time. It is guesstimates spanning millions of years. Yes, there was most likely something slumpind down roughly around the ten millions of years that the Siberian Traps happened. But, on average the Siberian traps is not larger than Iceland in lava erupted terms. So, it a huge meteor poked a hole in the southern parts of Australia I guess that the Hyperlemures would write in 5 million years that it was Iceland together with the Tasman crater that whacked the Humans. Of course they would not guess that the real reason was that we died out of obeasity and bad television programs.
Damn potato chips!
I can’t help myself thinking that a big impactor could trigger some activity on the volcano-side. But I know that’s wild and “proof” always remains a bit weird. And when you have the whole system weakened by a big meteorite impact, all you are pumping into the atmosphere sure doesn’t help.
But to be clear, I fully agree that Siberian or Deccan traps alone are not an explanation for theses extinctions in / around their time span.
Time correspondance is the main problem to me when trying to reconstitute events millions of years ago. Hard enough to date several thousands of years old stuff, but when we go in the tens and hubdreds of millions… Phew, get’s hard to exactly know the order of things.
I have always wondered if the K/T was not a whammy of Virus and Chixcolub.
Why in all holy Godabungas name would not a Dinosaur suffer from the common cold and influenza when snakes, comodo-dragons, and alligators do?
Not forgetting the horribly retarded poop-attackers that are remnant dinosaurs, Ie. the Birds. They also get colds and flus…
Sure. Why not.
On the other hand, gathering info about a meteoritic impact of a >10km diameter body and it’s consequences let me imagine that this alone could cause quite a mess. Then add whatever you like and the situation gets horrible.
But dinosaur’s evolution shows very well that things like lacking adaptation to slightest environmental changes and for sure viruses too lead to extinctions. Many dino-forms got what we could call extinct without fat impactors and hypervolcanoes…
And too nice to thing that they ruled the world for hundreds of millions of years, while our species is here for merely hundreds of thousands of years and looks into the eye of doom due to crackers and sweet wine (self-critical moment of the day).
Thanks Carl. I find it amazing how fast you write informative posts which still sound cool, are easy to read and have images to pretty them up.
Silly attempt on Alans riddle. There is a mineral called Bakerit but i am probably miles away.
It is not a big secret that I was born into a newspaper publishing family.
My father connived me into learning to write on a type-writer when I was four.
I still have a problem (really) with a pen.
I worked for ten years as a part time music critic. My record was writing an opera review in 12 minutes… Deadlines either make you very fast, or will kill you. Most are killed, I got fast.
And, let my just state that it was far from a Daily Mail paper. For me a newspaper is very sober and factual and arrives on your doorstep early in the morning. Tabloids are not “my thing”… Of course even good newspapers with the highest ethics and work morale possible will make foo-pahs now and then. We write under pressure after all, and we do try to check all the facts, but in the end you publish an equal amount to a rather lardy novell every day 300 something days a year, it is more surprising there are not more errors really. Once more, we are far far from Daily Fail here. Personally I have a problem even understanding the concept of the Daily Fail. I had never read it before all the Hubbubb about it started. I could not believe my eyes when I read the thing. My father would have died again if he had seen it.
The french-speaker in me always early faints when I see “foo-pah”. Terrific thing. I fear that more than the lizards…
nearly, not early
Oh do you mean it should be faux-pah then! hee hee
Debbie,
yes, nearly. Faux-pas: wrong step. I mean, that’s what it comes from. Like déjà-vu: already seen. I have read that in horrible forms.
But that’s my sensitivity. An English speaker must sometimes suffer incredible pains when reading my blabla. Well aware of that…
Oooooh how I “dislike” that iPhone-Worpress combination messing the login-stuff up every time I have suffered a crash.
A real pain in the bottom.
Shadow, sorry I was having a laugh …i knew the expression was faux-pas, I was just trying to wind GeoLoco up – (when father divorced mother, he met and married french lady..henever stopped trying to give us kids french lessons) he even made us listen to Edith Piaf constantly. still love her music now…..
Nooooon, rien de rieeeen, nooooooon jeeee ne regreeette rieeeen…
Hi GeoLoco, same thing has happened to me on a few occasions, have to quit out and go in again to resume normal service…also noticed a strange refresh thingy going on just when I was posting a comment,that was a bit annoying……..is it those lovely wordpress guys trying to improve their package…in my experience of IT people they usually break a few good things, whilst trying to improve the service. happens at work on a daily basis and drives me crazy….can´t they do a bit of “in house” testing before they release the new version ?
Ah GeoLoco, you old crooner ….My favourite EP song….. – never knew you had such a brilliant singing voice….you shoud meet Simon Cowell, he would sign you up in a flash xx
Sure they do their best. We’ve become spoiled by all our tools. But it’s amazing how much time we spend tuning our “instruments” since we went IT…
It’s one of my future aims to sing a song about Volcanocafe. This will of course become a YouTube slammer and I’ll make my first millions out of it. Then I invest in ores and geothermal energy related to volcanism. That makes me a billionaire. As I don’t forget the motivation you guys represented I then organize a luxury meeting at Burfell. Free for all. I come with my supersonic helicopter (don’t even dare coming with the physics that make this impossible, I know! but I don’t care!!!) and fetch you all. Free even for those who have no money at all. And we extend it to 2 weeks. Blaa lonid for those who have pains, and arctic trucks for the rest… Yeaiiiih!
Shadow, actually I should admit that my french is really not that good, it is just that faux-pas is one of those french expressions that has been adopted into the english language…and it is used quite frequently, but I always took it to mean, oops I have “made a boo boo” – or “I have made a mistake”, and déjà-vu has also been adopted into english it means to us ,I have seen that before but usually we use it in an almost spiritual way…. like that weird feeling you have seen something before, but in another life…but is is strange because I think there is usually a bit of snobbery when the english use these phrases, it makes the speaker feel a bit superior if they can slip these phrases into a coversation…so if you feel sensative of the mis-use, don´t – be proud that the English who always think their language is the best, have adopted and incorporated these french words…everyone with a bit of knowledge of history will know that the french were always more cultured that the english.
Against popular belief, there is absolutely nothing in physics that forbids a supersonic helicopter, it is more of an enginering problem how to switch the profile of the wing from an LP+ to an LP- profile for every half a twist…
Personaly I liked the American idea of the vacuumbodied jet-zeppelin-fighter. Wonderfull idea, I really want one. Basically you take a tank, fly it out into space, open a valve and get hard vacuum, then push it down to the planet again and mate it with an engine and cock-pit, fill the tank, release and it hoovers up on it’s own to about 20 km. No wing, no crap. Just a vacuum balloon.
Physics 101, vacuum has no weight. Hydrogen take that!
The physics that with todays materials and general economical limits tend to make it veeeery hard to build…
P.Werner Lange, but it was in German, dont know if it exists in english, swedish or?
The book is used to hold up my laptop because it tend to overheat lying on the couch and on the other side i use an atlas of minerals and gemstones.
Blimey … supersonic helicopters. Where did that come from?
Co-axial, contra-rotating blades will be part of the answer (the Russians do know something about this). Advancing blade counter-acted by retreating blade.
Quite correct, also the Americans tried a version of that.
I dread the most dangerous word ever… Always said very quietly and slowly…
“Oops…”
It will be the last word spoken before humanitys final destruction.
Good to know. I’ll try to avoid the faux-pas of using oops if we should once have the pleasure tu meet…
Well, we will sooner or later raid down into the Midle parts of Europe. Or as it is also known, midle-earth. Will probably end up with us going around terrorising a large part of Europe in the end
I already start working on how to sell it to my wife.
“Letting a strange(r) into ounhouse? How can you now it’s not a mass killer only from commenting on a nerdy blog?”
“Naaah, I mean, he’s swede and physicist and barbecues hats…”
“…and he sells fruits…”
“…dear spouse, he will let you drive his Koenigsegg…”
As said, I’m working on it…
Hahahaha, I just wrote an OOPS up above. And I hope they never say “oops” when they mistakenly push that button. It would be the height of indignity but then we would never know so who cares really?
Sell it via the sailing boat in Catania instead…
I have heard that it ranks high on the Romantometer to have a sailing boat there.
In reallity it is a bloody nuisance. And when I go, Boris is not there and Etna is quiet. Always. And also, it does not work for me on the Romantometer.
Etna is the wrong volcano for the romantometer. Vesuv is the better one. I recently read a book about it and that had a chapter, i was blushing all over all the time, and the elderly lady who gave it to me as a christmas present, kept asking what it was about and how i liked it, just when i was into this chapter, i did not know what to tell her, when i finally did, with lots of ….ahem hm ahem…, she collapsed laughing.
@Newby:
I have once heard the word “oops” around fairly massive ordinance. It ended up with a rather lonesome Naval Robot 08 running around half of the Stockholm archipelago looking for something to blow up.
In the end it found a small defunct sub-lighthouse.
If it instead had been an RB15M it would have been cool, that one is stoppable from the control center. What the heck am I talking about, it was cool watching that old sub-lighthouse go up in small glowing pieces in the middle of the night.
Nota bene, it is not allowed to launch things like that, even for the military, unless if your ship is in the fireing range.
In reallity Vesuvius is no longer romantic. It was fairly okay back when I had dinner with Agnelli there, but nowadays the Camorra has started to use it as a garbage dump. Huge environmental scandal.
Sicily is really nice. Naples if not as nice by far.
Yeah, i can imagine that Napoli is not nice anymore, but what people already did there, ahem ahem, in Goethes times it seems to have been like this: If you had no chance with a woman, wait till vesuv erupts and you will have the night(s) of your lifetime.
The book was called, Life and Death at the burning mountain btw.
I know my wife for 18 years. Forget the boat… And the Koenigsegg is a bit “flat”. Don’t you have a Ford F150 Raptor or something?
Nah. She’s not that much of a material girl. Erm, my luck – we both just had nothing when we met… But Iceland and a house away from tourists somewhere on a Mediterranean island could help…
I could arrange a house in Northern Sweden with an open fireplace and some late night mooses to look at…
Not material at all. Toilett is the old outhouse style from fien de siécle…
Author of that book please?
Could be Frison-Roche…
See the author above, i klicked the wrong reply.
Anyway, BBGN all, Alan will have a good laugh at our poor attempts most likely, maybe someone can come up with a volcanic cake with as many fossils as possible.
Oops is super bad when uttered by either a dentist or hairdresser.
It’s hard to think where to start on the riddle. My first thought was the Stone of Scone, but I was trying to think of minerals but didn’t get past Bakerite or a “Bun”senite then I thought it may possibly but doubtfully be “Parkin”sonite. As I couldn’t do any better I gave in to temptation and just got a slice of said parkin from the kitchen and let better people than me solve the problem.
Alison, I actually thought that was a good start to solving the riddle, but then again, what do I know? have never got anywhere near getting one right to date.
but I can see where you are coming from
Hi Carl et al, one thing that I find suprising, is how come that some of the coldest countries in the world, have the biggest volcanic hotspots underneath them..surely all that red hot magma underneath should melt all the ice……….I am sure there is a perfectly reasonable scientific explanation….but .just seems strange….Iceland, Greenland, Siberia,,,how much colder can you get?
Well, you know… Stone is a surprisingly good insulator, so all that lovely heat stay where it is.
Even in the dead of winter the ice never get deeper than a meter or two, unless you have permafrost, then it can go about a hundred meters down, or up in the case of the Pingus.
A fantastic example is snow setting on hardened / cool
lava on the surface while it still runs under the tube. Seen that, think it was Etna. Should search for it on YouTube or whatever. But that actually happens. As Carl says, a hell of an insulator.
Thanks for your comments, and yes I do understand that stone has got to be one of the worlds best insulators, but even so, is it still not a weird quirk of nature that the coldest surfaces in the world have the hottest mantle underneath them!
Yepp, Rockwool is a common insulator here for houses.
The baby has been born in the cold and damp of Yorkshire (although not fully grown yet).
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc477/disney58/THEBABY1.jpg
http://i1213.photobucket.com/albums/cc477/disney58/THEBABY.jpg
Ah one of those!
Now I get it!
It was one of the things that stood model for the Triffids.
A Triffid is kind of the herbological equivalent of an Assblaster.
They should have had Burt Gummer around when the Triffids attacked.
Tonight I will so get back to watching the Tremors TV-series. So sad that they only made 13 episodes.
Congratulations, Judith, on your new born!!!
Oh, how cool! Thanks!
Answer to the riddle : Lawsonite! (After the nice baker Nigella Lawson).
Haha Talla, good answer and I’ll have a cafetite with that, please.
& a chocolate lava cake.
And a cinnabar for me, please. Cinnamon bar, yummy!
Here is your cinnabar to order. Lots of them in the field near me, at least there were last year. This year I suppose we will be lucky if we see one because of this, blank, blank rain!
) I nearly forgot the link.
OOPS (just for Carl
http://ukmoths.org.uk/show.php?bf=2069
An Newyby thanks, but I meant this cinnabar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnabar
So this is what 2012 has kept for us – a hypervolcano!
Congrats for the post, Carl, and Judith, congrats for the “baby”!
And for those who like to see Etna going “strombolian”:
http://www.radiostudio7.it/webcam.asp?web=2&id=2
Rock cakes: gneiss buns, lava bread ….
Or you can have boulangerite.
& pumice cake.
Well you are one of a tenacious kind.
So what’s your guess for Alan’s riddle, Geo?
Gaylussite…
No. That’s because I don’t get anything valuable together out of it.
In German I’d say Zimtstein.
@GeoLoco: When I was looking for an answer I came across Lizardite! I guess that’s specially for you!
We also know Puddingstein…
But doesn’t help me on the Allanite riddle
Oooh, hessonite garnet – cinnamon stone. Nice one.
https://www.google.com/search?q=hessonite+garnet&num=20&hl=en&safe=off&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Y30EUM3tNKGb1AW71JzCBw&ved=0CKwBELAE&biw=1366&bih=622
Bismite for it sounds a bit like biscuit. Sooo poor…
About Puddingstein, this page tells me that in Spanish it is called almendrilla, full of
almendras = almonds. Pudding with almonds, yummy.
http://www.jewels-gems-clocks-watches.com/index.php?le=P&la=G&entry=77081
I’d better stop with these cookery comparisons, I am getting hungry now.
Or it is baked volcanic rock like a conglomerat, breccia.
You wont get hungry seeing those Ursula
I’m having a fantasy of applepieite, or cheesecakeite, or doublechocolatespooncakeite…
GeoLoco, you will have to find a rock on your own that nobody have seen before and name it into something. I would love to see what you would come up with….
I actually have some definitions of my own that are applied by colleagues. But, well, let’s not go into details.
I love rock definitions in sedimentology. A rock formed out of the deposit of Jumbo-jets and trucks and stuff in Japan should be called Tsunamite somehow…
Today I was called because a 7m high wall is bursting and the whole material, includings some cubic meters of rocks is coming down on a street. Glad the press didn’t get it, and as we react fast it should stay what it is, a managed case. But the guy that was there to drive the machines didn’t know about our vocabulary of course. You should have see the colleagues eyes when I started my explanations: “take away the crappy yellowish stuff, but don’t touch the grey and nice upper part; yeah and off my eyes with the wet muddy sand, we need to put that new wall on solid stuff”. Well, at least the dude seemed to know what we wanted of him. The upper and under Portlandien and calcaires à taches rousses blabla interlits marneux blabla contraintes horizontales blabla didn’t tell him anything.
One day I’ll find Volcanocafite. Dark, with a golden shine, glassed Moho magma that pops up at Bardarbunga…
Almandine sounds as though it should have a cake connection ….
Is there a tartite?
Dunno – but I have found marble cake and granita.
& a last wild guess before I head for bed: olivine.
BBGN.
Boulangerite sounds delicious. Ingenious.
But please don’t try to taste it.
“Boulangerite is a sulfosalt mineral, lead antimony sulfide, formula Pb5Sb4S11″ source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulangerite
Nice job Carl, superb summary! Several months ago, I had a look at the Siberian Traps and the most impressive thing about it is the time scale. The eruption went on and off for some 1½ – 2 million years and estimates of present-day deposits place them at 2.3 million cu km. It probably was between 3 – 5 million cu km before erosion set in, but not more ( http://www.le.ac.uk/gl/ads/SiberianTraps/AreaVolume.html ) . Be that as it may, on average, the anual output was in the region of 1½ (+/-0.5) cu km.
Since most of us are familiar with the 2010 Eyjafjallajökull eruption, it can be used as a comparison. Eyjafjallajökull erupted 0.14 cu km DRE over six weeks which works out at an annual rate of ~1.2 cu km. Had Eyjafjallajökull continued for a few months, the glacier would have disappered and the eruption would have been effusive so no ash clouds after that. Now imagine Eyjafjallajökull going on for 2 million years and it would (almost) have equalled the Siberian Traps eruption.
Take away the time factor, and it’s not so gob-smackingly colossal. Can it really be thought to be the cause of a mass extinction event? I very much doubt it. Most likely the human brain can imagine the sheer volume but not the time frame involved and thus jumps to the wrong conclusion. A million cubic kilometers over a few years or a few hundred years, definitely. But not a copule of cu km every year for a couple of millions of years.
So, that was not a spectacular event such as we tend to imagine?
A little more intense than Kilauea, perhaps? And this one has hardly touched the surrounding ecosystem.
Definitely, we need some better explanation for the Permian mass extinction.
The P/T wasn’t a sudden event. Some speak of up to 3 phases. And you find evidence for several potential meteorite impacts that time around. A weakened ecosystem, for whatever the reason, and bolide impacts… Volcanism alone is no valid explanation at all, indeed.
Definitely not.
I wonder how many meteorites it takes to overthrow a government…
If it’s fat enough one will suffice…
Or just very lucky hit, then it would take something about a meter in diameter if it is made out of iron and come straight down. Would take out Washington DCs more prominent parts at least.
Like what happened to Paris at the start of Armageddon.
Not sudden perhaps, but the 3 stages must have been sudden. Any gradual event would have life adapt to it. Life even adapts to the sudden shift from ice ages to interglacials and back. The event must be much more dramatic, to explain a 99% extinction.
instant deep freeze
You can still see ( i guess it is Bocca Nuova?) on Radiostudio cam 2. Thanks for the hint Renato.
Yes, but since it is Bocca Nuova, people from Sicily don’t think it will lead to a paroxysm any soon…
But it shows as a small glow on: http://www.guide-etna.com/webcam/
Cam 2: tiny glow
Cam 6: better
I think they changed that cam (nº 6)
The HT has risen a little bit: 7 on EBELZ; and, 16 on ECPNZ.
http://www.ct.ingv.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=201&lang=it
Totally different pattern than during the paroxysms, then it was EBELZ that was giving off the higher reading. The Bocca Nuovo lava must be piped up differently.
Unashamadly admitting here that Etna is not my strong point. Boris has kind of killed Etna for me. Mainly out of being so good at it that there is no way I can outsmart him. Sigh…
My take on this: Bocca Nuova is an older crater, a much larger one. I think it takes more time for the lava to reach the desired pressure for a paroxysm, but I might be wrong…
Stromboli has a bit of a glow:
http://www.ct.ingv.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=214&lang=it
Etna’s activity can be seen live from here, but from a larger distance:
http://www.etnawalk.it/Gallery/Show/188/southeast-crater–live-/2861#
screen dump of Stromboli (source as link above)
http://oi45.tinypic.com/11uxp9e.jpg
Alan, if you pass the tea, I have some Proustite Madeleines…
As for a geologic description of the innards of highly palatable pastry: http://helenaheliotrope.blogspot.nl/2011/01/aw-30-moon-is-made-of-toasted-coconut.html
Yummy
Still trying to concoct a volcano cake. Need a substitute for sodium bicarbonate for making the lava – looks good but it tastes bad.
Have you tried a homeycomb recipe? It uses bicarbonate of soda at the last minute…delicious!
I know i’m not the only person who’s speculated this as I’ve seen some very basic scientific rumination about it, but LIP events have been corrolated with large scale impact events, and there is a history of them being placed at the antipodal location of said impact.
It shouldn’t be a huge surprise that when a gigantic rock hits one side of an orb (earth) the opposite side splits open to release some of that energy.
This has been widely speculated to as the reason for why LIP events have occurred frequently around the time of impact events. I know the Deccan traps formation sits antipodal to the Chixiclub (spelling) impact crater, and this could easily explain at least on a certain level how large hotspots form in the first place.
Then once initial climate changes get thrown off balance, everything goes into haywire. Our climate is very good at keeping itself balanced. It’s amazing how many “self correcting” systems our planet has in place that keep the ocean currents running even when there is less or more ice in a given year. But if you push one of those too far (which generally takes a large event) the whole system destabilizes in a domino effect.
I’m anything but a climate-change fear mongerer, but I do find past history of extinction events and climatic systems to be incredibly intriguing and engaging. I find it similar to being a detective, where you put together tons of pieces of any given puzzle, and try to find out how everything happened, except with a much greater degree of complexity. Was there 1 killer (extinction trigger), or was it a group effort (multiple independent causes around the same time). Or was it a case where 1 killer influenced others to do the job (Where 1 event would trigger a chain reaction of climate change, inducing extinction).
My guess: one trigger event (but not enough to produce a sudden “paroxysm” of lava in a global scale); then, a destabilization of the hole system, and then a gradual deterioration of the whole climatic/biological balance. Many species survived such events, so it was not all of a sudden. A meteor as a trigger? Many volcanoes erupting at a time? A shift in the Earth’s axis? Any of them could work as a trigger, in my take…
I think it is completely likely that a 10km metalic asteroid coming at 10km/s or more, is more than able to puncture the crust into the mantle and cause at least a large eruption locally.
If that stays open permanently, that is a different matter.
I also agree that what happened mostly likely at the 99% extinctions (and from Biology/Geology they were quite sudden), I think these must have taken place due to not only a meteor but also disasters resulting from that meteor. If a 10km body impacts our planet at high speed, surely you will have massive dust, massive local eruption, massive tsunami (if in water), and surely massive (truly disaster type) climate change. That is what makes 99% of life go dead. Otherwise, the impact per se does not eliminate 99% over the entire planet.
Now a massive resulting eruption does not need to happen to explain a 99% extinction; massive (on scales never seen) climate change is enough to cause that (if temperature rises or falls more than 20ºC over a few years). Just the dust alone might be enough to cause that. But nevertheless I think such an impact must at least cause a large local eruption.
Actually there is nothing hindering a meteorite starting a hotspot in the general antipodal position. Problem is that we are having way to few hotspots for the theory to hold.
Also, Chixcolub was not that antipodal back then, remember that the hotspot is fixed and the crater moved.
But in the end, the problem remains the uncanny evenness of the hotspots, especially the massive Icelandic one regarding lofting rate.
It has after all been gushing forth for 250 million years now at a steady rate, and that is pretty much without any stop except a few small exceptions when there was to hard rock ontop to melt or break.
As I have said, I do not have a problem with the antipodal thing, but one has to do a bit of tricky calculations to see if any craters match up with the actual position back then of the hotspot.
Also, during all of this the Icelandic Hotspot has taken car of half of the worlds lava production. On it’s own it is almost the sole responsible thing for the world A) Being tilted due to B) having more mass in the north due to C) Creating a hell of a lot of new crust and mini-continents.
This boils down to the Deccan Traps, anything associated with the Yellowstone hotspot and the rest of the hotspots being fairly much a pimple on the arse of the Icelandic Hotspot. If the Icelandic brute could not whack anything I guess the other sure as heck won’t.
Problem is: we have to think in long time spams. It seems we can’t ever think enough…
Think this way Carl:
You can puncture a person body with needles of many different sizes. Most will not hurt at all. Some will make you a bleed a tiny drop of blood, but some rare and larger ones might make you bleed somewhat. But only a rare couple of them (out of millions) will be large enough and hitting on the right spot, right angle, right intensity to cut through an artery.
A good analogy, but here the puncturing consists of hoardes of mad doctors puncturing the poor patient for millions of years. So, I guess that it takes such a massive meteorite that the ensuing hotspot that shows up 10 years later at fastest possible time would not make a lot of a difference for the Dinos…
A yes, Bruce!!!
I calculated it. The fastest possible uplift rate is 9 years 6 months for the magma to go up the hotspot. But, it is probably a lot slower.
Yes, but on this case it’s not only the magma going up, but rather the meteor carves down into the magma exposing the mantle to surface. Well, I don’t say it more, you are the guy in Physics, and maybe you can explain better what might happen when a 10km metalic body crashes into our planet, in a spot between oceanic crust and continental crust (Chixcolub)
At speed of at least 10km/s, but it can be significant higher.
One thing to keep in mind however, is once a path to the surface is made from an impact event, that henceforth becomes the path of least resistance. I wouldn’t say necessarily that it would cause to “bleed” ever since then. If that was the case, the deccan traps and the siberian traps would still be erupting to this day in the same velocity they did back then.
What you could theorize however, is since such huge rifts were created in the mantle, those spots henceforth become the easiest place for magma coming up through the mantle to reach the surface via plumes.
Antipodal Hotspots.
http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/Antip_hot.pdf
I extracted a the primary and secondary hotspots as defined in the paper and plotted them.
It was interesting.
http://i45.tinypic.com/35bbcpf.png
Only problem with that is that there is to many hotspots on the plot…
As I have said, I do think it is quite possible from a physics standpoint to get a hotspot at an antipodal location of the initial impact if the thing hitting was large enough. But there would not be one where it happened. Only a weakening and the lava would be decompressional, not hotspot.
Problem with the maps I have seen is that the they have looked for meteorite impacts at the antipode of the current spot affected by a hotspot. And that is just plain wrong. Continental drift will have moved things around.
I think they allowed for that in the paper.
And as far as the number of spots, they used evidence of a spot spitting stuff or affecting the terrain… and compiled a few different list of spots where spittin’ spots were at…
For the less adept… the usage of the word “spot” was intended that way, it changes context part way through the sentence.
This is not mind control, think about it…
This is not mind control, think about it…
This is not mind control, think about it…
Good night.
New theory on mass extinction based on human behaviour.
1 third ate themselves to death, 1 third starved to death due to the previous 1 third having eaten all the food, and the last 1 third went on a diet and never stopped so they also starved to death.
Any remaining stragglers died out of watching stupid reallity shows. Of course I have not counted the 1 dinosaur out of 4 million who died from putting on the socks in the morning.
You forgot to mention the deaths from anesthesia in plastic surgeries…
I forgot that due to living in a cold country.
I have heard that it is much more dangerous making a butt implant than a breast implant…
And also that it is more common in Brazil with butt implants than the breast implants. Any truth to this, or is this just a Swedish myth regarding Brazil?
A myth. Brazilian girls are naturally endowed with butts. But no breast.
I mean, natural…
Like “sexy” versions of Godzilla…
Ah well, it was a good myth while it lasted
Only Brazilian I know is Marta, and she does not have any butt at all.
For those who prefer male football. Marta is the Pelé of womens football. Personally I prefer to watch swetty lightly dressed women. I am surprised that half of the men on the planet prefer to watch lightly dressed swetty men.
LOL. maybe count some lonely souls that died out a few years later excited and too close to a volcanic eruption
Not a meteor, not a virus, not the sea levels, not the Deccan traps…
http://i49.tinypic.com/33eufpe.png
Hemp!!! Of course..
Ha, now I have something solid to convince my kids that they shall not smoke…
looks like tobacco to me….
Konditorei is a German word for baker, so maybe Konderite for the riddle?
On Iceland “hypervolcano”: I must say that actually Iceland is still going on at its mammoth scale. Well, it keeps the average of 1 cu km per year.
The other day I travelled between Hekla and Langjokull, and as I moved over the rift zone over Kaldidalur (southwest of Langjokull), I could see so many shield volcanoes, of many different ages. All of them are massive examples of eruptions that poured some 15 to 50 cu km of lava outside. Some are quite recent such as Skaldbreidur, others more ancient such as OK, Lambahraun, Lyngdalsheidi. Not counting with small nameless shield volcanoes and cones. This is a just a small portion of Iceland. How much lava has been released only there! And when you don’t have a shield, you have a tuya (same thing but eruption happened under ice).
You also find these abundance of shield volcanoes north of Vatnajokull, both south and north of Askja. These tell us the story of many large efusive eruptions in interglacial periods in both around Langjokull and to the north of Vatnajokull. I was actually surprised to see the abundance of such signs of very large volcanism especially at Langjokull.
And then of course we have also the long fissures and ridges within the dead zone (the 3 famous ones are just a tiny sample of it; there are actually hundreds of them). All of this shows that actually it is nearly the entire volcanic region of Iceland that can have massive release of lava.
Very much true.
And this was my point, the Icelandic hotspot is still hot at it’s work.
And, we should in all honesty also count in the 19 parts out of 20 that stays in the ground building the ground up through dykes, sills, diapirs, magma chambers, cryptodomes and other assorted magmatic intrusions. Because this also lifts up the land. So the largest bulk of Iceland being above waterhas been done from bottom and upwards due to various forms of lift through these intrusions.
On any normal day in iceland there is intrusions ranging from tiny at around 0,01 cubic kilometers, to a few cubic kilometers like the one in december at Theistareykir. So, the eruptions are the exception, the big show is down deep in the ground.
Yes, Carl.
And how large was that (and still ongoing) intrusion at Askja/Herdubreid. It has been going on probably for a few years already.
And at Katla. And at Bardarbunga. For years.
And have you seen that sub-surface eruption of Tungnafellsjokull? Eheh, new word
And more magma released under Hengill and Krisuvik. How many cu km this has acounted? And as a scientific study has shown, intrusions happens often during quakes at the SISZ. So, add a few more cu km in there as well.
All in all, it’s a whole mass of cu km, just these recent years, since 2000.
And with the equivalent in magmatic output to the Siberian Trap ongoing, I see no trace of an extinction event amongst Icelanders. Unless you count the famine caused by flourine poisoning of sheep 1783-4 (50% of Iceland’s livestock, 25% human), but that was a huge 15 cu km in one go.
Was that really fluorine poisining? Laki was heavy on sulphides not fluorine if my befuddled brain remembers correctly.
I though know that the larger Lakis have whacked sheep on a prodigious scale due to fluorine poisoning.
Laki, according to Wiki:
“…an estimated 14 km3 (3.4 cu mi) of basalt lava and clouds of poisonous hydrofluoric acid and sulfur dioxide” …
“…crop failures in Europe and may have caused droughts in India. The eruption has been estimated to have killed over six million people globally,”
To me it could be regarded as a trigger-like event which, in synchronicity with another two of such (ex: a huge El Niño and a Toba sized eruption at the tropics) could destabilize the system towards a mass extinction event.
?
Way to small for that.
Yes, it put strain on the local eco-system, and gave crop failures in the north, but the southern hemisphere didn’t notice anything…
Not even a Toba event would cause mass extinction.
Problem with a mass extinction is that it takes something on a scale that our minds can’t grasp. Or a virus. So, I still say that it would take a huge meteorite impact, that is the only thing I know of that can happen that has the necessary giga tonnage of energy to whack us good.
Unless the sun goes novae or some such. Volcanoes are to piddly really. Oh my god, what did I just write
A-ggreg-ate (only thing I could think of to get Gregg’s into it. Never been there myself but I’m sure it’s a ‘nice bakers’)
Thanks to Alan for the tasty bonus riddle. A rock-cake – Piemontite?
I’ve been out of touch most of the day… and while looking for a photo response to an earlier post, I got sidetracked.
About 14 years ago… I and a friend of mine got horribly drunk. Well, it wasn’t that horrible, it was actually one of the more enjoyable recreations that I had. They served every one of their drinks with this huge honking straw. We never could figure out why…
… so we made “art.”
http://i47.tinypic.com/14m8cc5.png
BTW, if you recognize the place.. or the “art” feel free to answer up. It’s always possible that someone here saw it.
Hint… it’s somewhere in Europe.
Turkey: Yoghurt and Baklava. And coffee.
Close… but no.
Same place earlier that day.
http://i46.tinypic.com/24l64vp.png
I don’t think we left until that evening… the view was so stunning. People off our ship would stop by, we would converse for a while, they would move on. Rinse – repeat – eat – drink.
My guess would be Greece…
Now the hard part.
Well I think I found it, after a long Google tour of Greece. Your beautiful view is of the Venetian port of Chania,on the Island of Crete. Wow, that is breathtakingly beautiful! I visited Greece a long time ago, but only got to Athens and Delphi. Would love to see the islands some day! Thank you for the virtual trip there.
Give that lady a Gold Star!
‘Welfare and Recreation’ didn’t arrange a tour, but they really should have. I had been to Knossos during a stop on a previous deployment with a different ship. It is quite possible that it would have been a fruitless effort for this crew, they seemed to be more interested in partying than anything else.
Looking at the “art” i am thinking that you invented The B of the Bang!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_of_the_Bang
Cool—passes the time!
Earlier…
volcanocafe says:
July 16, 2012 at 20:05
That or some more colorful phrase.
I was back at the helo hangar once, watching the vertrep. The last thing you really want to see is one of these dangling by two stringers. (the four lines attached to the missile crate) Even though it’s not armed… there is usually a pucker factor involved… and an ass chewing later.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2e2jdag.png
here an oops moment:
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/07/10/fukushima-watch-new-photos-of-the-day-the-tsunami-hit/tab/slideshow/#slide/15
link thanks to Chris Rowan.
Thats easy riddle, Sandkaka. *silica, /Glass *sandcake
*every bakery has it here. I buy one tomorrow.
And the French version of that would be gâteaux sablés, or petits sablés, same idea, “sand cakes”. But I think that KarenZ nailed it upthread with boulangerite, named after Charles Boulanger who, in spite of his name, was not a baker but a French mining engineer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulangerite
And I who thought it was named after the pastry named after Juliette Nadia Boulanger. She was Frances best conductor and composer at the time. She apparantly ordered and ate a heck of a lot of the Boulangeries known as Boulangeres.
Daily graph of released energy.
http://www.avcan.org/sismica/graficas/G1316.jpg?t=1342472735
Hi everyone, just popped in for a quick catch up. Debbie we get forest fires here in Canada, the smoke can get nasty. I sure hope all is ok for you. Got to make this quick as catching an overnight bus. (yuck) Back in a couple days, take care everyone.
@ Debbie…… Stay safe You can have some of our Rain
@ Carl….. Thanks for the amazing post. Fascinating! Another few pices in my jigsaw puzzle of vulcanism.
@ Renato….. No wonder those young ladies have big Butts. Their exercise regime is very unbalanced. Apart from the Gluteus mmaximus and thighs very few other muscles are being utilised. I will stick to my 24 form yang Style Tai Chi. Slow , balanced and very useful ……:D
@ Everyone… the latest UK “Oops ” moment happened when it was realised what G4S had NOT done days before to opening of the Olympics
http://www.insidethegames.biz/olympics/summer-olympics/2012/17703-security-blunder-set-to-cost-g4s-p50-million-as-they-apologise
back on track now and a possible 3 m just happened under El Hierro. I think it looks tectonic though.
http://www.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2012-07-17&ver=s&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2012
Katla looks like she is starting her summer activity. Small quakes probably due to the melting of the Icecap.
http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes/myrdalsjokull/
It was just a simple piece written due to me not being able to focus on reading up on the things I needed to read up on to be able to write the post I had intended…
None the less Carl it was still informative and looked at the whole rather than “bits” . It is good to be reminded of and to try to conceive the time spans involved in the lead up to modern events.
Pieces not Pices!
*blushes*
Carl has lead me to post it… :~o
Me?
Remember that the only female Brazilian I know had no butt…
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X6g53zZ6WFM/S87zTgLbtEI/AAAAAAAAAAM/3hrS0aVnpyQ/s1600/marta-650.jpg
Marta is our pride, a national hero. She is out of this.
I mean, you said the gals had no butts and I have just found this to prove that’s not the case…
I call that “social inequality trying to rapidly climb the steps of fame” – nothing to be proud of.
Marta is actually very nice. We used to be neighbours so we BBQed in the summers in my garden. And she succeded with learning Swedish really fast too.
Carl is very naughty!
He should realise there are some very innocent young men on here and he should not encourage them to stray away from the statistics and form of volcanoes.
Yes, thank you Diane! You’re right!
I’m a poor young innocent boy!
Oops! Diana!
Yes, I forgot about young Alan and Geoloco.
Heaven forbid that we make them stray from statistics and volcanoes.
Luisport? Where was this taken? Did you take it? It’s beautiful.
No infortunately here in Portugal i think i will never see it…
I saw it once in north Portugal (2001), twice in Netherlands (2003) and many times in Iceland.
Actually, that evening in Portugal the northern lights were observed all over the north of Portugal, Spain and Italy, but only for a brief 30min, but there are photos taken from Spain of those red auroras. A second time, the aurora went as far south as mid Portugal and Italy in 2005 I think. It actually happens about twice a decade but only for brief periods usually. Keep your eyes on the sky!
Thank you Luis! What a wonderful thing it is in the State of Wisconsin!
17/07/2012 07:46:10 27.7046 -18.1308 18 3.0 mbLg SW FRONTERA.IHI
There are lot of comments from people in the Frontera los llanillos and los Mocanes areas from people saying how they have felt this earthquake.
,,Acabo de sentir dos temblores en Frontera y el primero me parecio fuerte y largo,sobre las ocho menos cuarto!!!!!
I just feel two tremors at border and the first I found strong and long, about a quarter to eight!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Actualidad-Volc%C3%A1nica-de-Canarias-AVCAN/163883668446
Hey I am getting good at guesstimating EQ mags lol
I just noticed that the comment system over at Eruptions has broken down totally now.
You can no longer see the comments made unless you are logged in, and you can not log in with Disqus.
I do not get that comment system to begin with, and it is mostly never working at all.
So, if anybody reads this and want them to fix it over at Eruptions the email is
eruptionsblog @ gmail . com
I can see the comments, i cannot order them to newest first like i used to, so i guess they are sorted by most popular now. Which also means, that if there are more than 80 comments, there is o way to read new ones if old ones were already “liked”. MRK states that yo should stay logged in with Disqus, ( Yeah sure, they most likely log whatever you are doing while being logged in, just like google and facebook does.
For me there are no comments, only a note stating that there are 25 comments. And here is the nutty part, there is no way to log in, only the text…
“Nothing for you here … yet. But as you comment with Disqus and follow other Disqus users, you will start to receive notifications here, as well as a personalized feed of activity by you and the people you follow. So get out there and participate in some discussions!”
Good advertisement for Disqus… Not!
I log in with FB,
I have disconnected my FB.
Pasting in a section from Wikipedia entry about Disqus, Privacy Concerns.
Quote:
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Here might be the reason why you cannot see any comments Carl.
I used to be able to see it, but whoever knows what has happened update wise lately with the office computer.
Disqus changed too, It looks different, and you dont only have comments, you have reactions now. You could follow those when you sign in with facebook.
Those datakraken really start to get on my nerves.
At All, dont blind yourself, nothing i free on the internet, you just pay with a new currency, information about yourself. ((Which is being sold for real money))
True, Spica. I heard a quote on TV the other day, sorry I don’t know who said it, to the effect that ‘Nothing on the internet is free: if you are not paying then you are the product’. Much good may it do them in my case – reading about volcanoes, archaeology and the news and I never click on adverts.
YeahTalla, still they do a thing called shadow profile on everyone who is not going to FB on their free will, and still collect data on them. And this is what i dont like.
I am no criminal, i did nothing wrong, no need to keep a shadow profile on me.
Hello Everyone, great article as ever Carl. Got to go do some volcano reporting…
if boulangerite is not correct (which it probably is) How about Dacite? Mount Garibaldi in Canada was named after Guiseppe Garibaldi born in Nice, France. There is a Garibaldi cake or biscuit, that can be bought in a bakers, obviously. Wiki says that Mount Garibaldi is one of the few Cascade mountains made exclusively from Dacite. OK….back to work before i get fired!
Whats happening here?
http://www.01.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2012-07-17&ver=s&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2012&Mes=07&Dia=17&tipo=1
Looks like somebody is kicking the seismometer housing.
LOL!!!
a bit of old fashioned way to get things working, the graph had some hick ups during the night
They seams tectonic quakes…
No, I was actually serious, it looks like something is banging against the seismometer housing.
Look at the minute plot. Definitly not any real earthquakes.
http://www.01.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesDiasAnterioresHora.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2012-07-17_09-10&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2012&Mes=07&Dia=17&tipo=1&hora=09-10
But look here!… Weird!
http://www.02.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesDiasAnterioresHora.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2012-07-17_09-10&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2012&Mes=07&Dia=17&tipo=2&hora=09-10
Really? But this is easy to know, if people feel it, it’s not any kiking in sismoteter game! LOL
There was 1 quake before.
But the ones that followed are only kicks in the seismometer.
No earthquake has that signature.
Compare the minute plots…
Here is the signature of the real one.
http://www.01.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesDiasAnterioresHora.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2012-07-17_07-08&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2012&Mes=07&Dia=17&tipo=1&hora=07-08
Infortunately i think you are right! Someone in El Hierro say the same… stupid game this one of kiking in this equipments!
I learned to spot mechanical trauma to them back when I actually tested to kick one…
So I am familiar with the signature of kicks…
And before anyone want to hit me for kicking a seismometer, it was my own.
LOL LOL LOL!!!!!!!!!!
Han rectificado el de 3.0 como 3.4
1157170 17/07/2012 07:46:10 27.7034 -18.1315 18 3.4mbLg SW FRONTERA.IHI
Looks like they have upgraded the quake at 07:46 to a 3.4 now.
1157170 17/07/2012 07:46:10 27.7034 -18.1315 18 3.4mbLg SW FRONTERA.IHI
almost the same spot then the other large one a couple of ays ago, same depth too
Another batch of quakes since that one, but size and depth not reported yet.
Also, I wondered , what is the line that has appeared on the spectrograph this morning at 13Hz, since just before the 3.4 quake.
@ Carl, bringing the ‘Is Tor Zawar a real or not a real volcano’ argument again. It seems John Seach disagree’s with the recent claims. Because he’s just updated his website: http://www.volcanolive.com/torzawar.html
Two eruptions?
300 meters apart?
Well, that is no electrical discharge. The ground is to good an capacitor for that. It is called ground-wiring for a reason.
I think a post is needed to settle this once and for all.
That would take me visiting the place to settle it once and for all.
I guess things are getting lost in translation here.
Volcano Activity in Indonesia on Tuesday, 17 July, 2012 at 03:08 (03:08 AM) UTC.
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Mount Merapi, located in Yogyakarta, emitted high-pressure gas on Sunday afternoon that caused its crater wall to collapse and volcanic ash to fall on its western slope, as smoke billowed up to 1 kilometer into the sky. As the gas discharge was not followed by other dangerous volcanic activity, the phenomenon was regarded as a small-scale volcanic eruption and the volcano’s alert status remained normal. “Mount Merapi’s status remains normal because there was no dangerous volcanic activity,” said Volcanic Technology Development and Research Center (BPPTK) head Subandriyo on Monday. According to Subandriyo, the incident was due to the accumulation of gas produced by the volcano’s magma. As the gas’ exit fumarole was too narrow, the volcano eventually released all the buildup of very high pressure gas by erupting, which caused the crater wall to collapse and this emitted a massive rumble. “The incident can be called a small-scale ‘volcanic eruption’,” said Subandriyo. In Bandung, West Java, Geological Disaster Mitigation and Volcanology Center head Surono said the collapse of the crater wall of Mount Merapi on Sunday was a natural process. The collapse was not due to an increase in volcanic activity of the most active volcano in Indonesia…. http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/site/?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=VA-20120717-35816-IDN
Wait three or so more years and you’ll see what Merapi is all about. That one is hard core!
Yes Renato a dangerous volcano! You have a picture below of the column of smoke issued on July 15! http://merapi.bgl.esdm.go.id/
Very dangerous!
I like most volcanoes, but Merapi is just evil!
Indeed!
This one should be respected before the slightest warning.
Nice quakes in Katla… http://en.vedur.is/earthquakes-and-volcanism/earthquakes/myrdalsjokull/#view=table
Icequakes, you mean!
This is typical summer time activity. If the quakes are deeper then they may be magmatic. This shallow stuff is probably just melting glacial movement…But I am but an amateur and who knows what Lady K will be up to!
Alert! Strange tremor readings at CHIE. There was some down time earlier today so I think it’s maybe tech problems . However something trigger the possible malfunction I suppos.
http://www.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=CHIE_2012-07-17&ver=s&estacion=CHIE&Anio=2012&Mes=07&Dia=17&tipo=1#
Carl says above that something knocked (er …. kicked) the seismo’s housing.
Maybe someone was doing maintenance work on it.
A size 1o (UK) boot maybe…. someone should explain what the term ” To reboot” means
There again I use impact engineering often of my electricals when they malfunction
On not of …Time for more coffee.
I used to use impact engineering but it got too expensive.
The EQ at 07:46 has been given a III intensity.
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Congrats to our mighty leader and the master of us dragons, Carl.
I will try to figure out who it really was ( but i cannot promise) and award her/him with a medal.
lol, just picturing Carl in a military suit.
Well, I still have a couple of my old uniforms, both dress uniform and regular fatigues for summer and winter usage. So it would not be any problem to whack in another medal on the dress uniform.
@ Carl, i sent you a preview of the book, did you get it?
I will go through it in a little while.
@ Carl, its very not that much. So i wouldn’t bother sectioning off too much time to look at at.
They are discussion the IGN graphs on Avcan Facebook and some are asking could the noises from the helipicopters fighting the fires somehow have been picked up by the stations and have started to affect the readings.
If I have understood thing correctly the answer to the Riddle was won by KarenZ at 20.17.
The answer was Boulangerite.
I will though all on my own and without having consulted the occupied Alan award a bonus point for Spicas answer of Ca4B4(BO4)(SiO4)3(OH)3·(H2O)).
Oh… What was it that Spica answered? Bakerite.
Hej… What about my Proustite Madeleines for most prosaic answer??
Nah, not since I misread your Proustite Madeleines…
Should not read them, but dip them in tea and …. «No sooner had the warm liquid, and the crumbs with it, touched my palate than a shudder ran through my whole body, and I stopped, intent upon the extraordinary changes that were taking place. An exquisite pleasure had invaded my senses, but individual, detached, with no suggestion of its origin. And at once the vicissitudes of life had become indifferent to me, its disasters innocuous, its brevity illusory…»… remember?
Xana, have you been reading 50 shades of Grey ?…lol.
Kelda
I went to the local library and was told there was a reserve list already of eighty people so I went to Sainsburys and bought it there and after reading it I just had to go back to buy part 2 and 3 .
sorry been gone so long, was on Amazon..looking for books on volcanos!!
And for those who wished to know if those where Earthquakes or boots kicking the casing…
Here is the answer.
http://www.01.ign.es/ign/head/volcaSenalesAnterioresDia.do?nombreFichero=Cjul_2012-07-17&ver=s&estacion=Cjul&Anio=2012&Mes=07&Dia=17&tipo=1#
Definitly Earthquacks in the shape of large Boots. This out of it not showing on any other seismograph.
What’s the latest news on Puyhue?
Not much happening, puffs out small puffs of mostly steam now and then. Otherwise it mostly seems to going back to sleep.
It was one amazing eruption.
After looking at the Red Sea volcanoes, there seems to be info on Zubair, Jebel At Tair, Hanish and Zukur. But there is a 5th Red Sea volcano. The (very young looking) Seven Brothers volcanoes. How come no study has ever been made into these highly uneroded islands?
Because it is in the Bab el Mandab streight, and it is probably the most pirate infested waters through the entire history of mankind.
But, one of these days someone will blow them up instead of cuddle with them, and then someone will go and make a study.
I thought you were talking about cuddling up to the islands.
lol. Carl says ‘the islands are no use, just blow them up’
I have a particularly stern opinion on pirates.
I do not share the general opinion that you should give them candy and money as ransom for the oil-tankers. I am of the opinion that you should bomb and sink any boat at the shores of Somalia. Would be better if there was not even a dinghy left there. Only good pirate is a dead pirate.
And I did not mean that the poor sods that are held captive should be bombed, I meant bomb away any small dinghy or bathtub that the pirates can use along the entire Somalian coast line.
The captive tankers and other ships should be taken by massive force at the same time as any village or town within range from the beaches are bombed to splinters.
Why am I so pissed off? Well I do sail a lot. But in the end you should know that you are all, everyone of you, paying a surcharge of 5 percent for everything that passes the channel. You did not know that 5 percent of your oil price is going directly to the pirates or into insurance premiums? Same goes for food, electronics, and so on and so forth.
That would be 1 dollar out of 20 in all international trade going away into smoke due to pirates. Think about it… and you might understand my annoyance.
Civil War, government collapses, foreign fleets steal their fish, those pirates used to be peaceful fishermen..
I lived on the Red Sea some 20 years ago. There used to be an abundance of huge tuna fish. They are gone now. Just like many other species who could not ecape the nets of the huge, drifting fishing plants like the Alakrana (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alakrana ; just look at the sheer numbers of fish these kind of ships can take home). These floating fish canning plants sail up and down a few times and leave the sea barren. What cannot be used (read: qualifies as Tuna) is thrown overboard. The Basques are to blame, among other nations who send their ships to regions as far away as the Red Sea. Result of these voracious fishing practices: people living on the shores where the Alakranas of this world have made their destructive round, have no food, no income, no nothing. Hence they are easy prey to the organizations who use them for pirating.
So for me, no more canned tuna, bonito These mega-trawlers are what should be forbidden first of all.</a? not just for the devastation they cause in marine life, but especially for the havoc they wreak by destabilising whole regions…
I also hate what those pirates do and how the get away with it every time. but reading Xana´s post, has made me think a bit deeper—still don´t agree with the way these pirates are pandered too, but look at the profits the oil companies make, could they not use a tiny percentage of their profits to help the local people. so that they don´t have to be such easy prey to the pirates?
In fact, I was going to make a tuna mayonaise sandwich for my lunch box tomorrow, but have now decided, it will be egg mayo instead….please don´t anyone post about poor battery hens, otherwise I will have to starve tomorrow!
Hopefully me, the only thing I can go on now is a geologic map of the Red Sea. Made by the brave men of the 1970′s.
Early sixties actually. In the seventies the channel was closed off during on of the Israeli Arabiq Kerfuffles.
Deep quake at Hamarinn.
Tuesday
17.07.2012 14:02:06 64.460 -17.662 9.5 km 1.9 99.0 7.7 km ESE of Hamarinn
Hi Carl and all,
‘Nother great post, I think I’ve mentioned before that “big picture” information is very helpful for the newbies tm amongst us…
Simple example to illustrate: African plate (including the Canaries as a special case) is moving
~2cm per year Northish; which equals
~10cm every 5 years; which equals
~1m every 50 years; which equals
~1km every 50000 years…
This can of course be taken further, but 50000 years already equals ~2000 generations!! The Canary Islands would’ve been a sub-tropical paradise (with volcanoes), untouched by human hands…
Debbie
Are you still ok.
Just seen these photos on the internet .
http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/17/12791736-tenerife-forest-fire-darkens-sky-over-island?lite
This has just been posted on the Avcan facebook page:
evacuan Vilaflor,1800 personas….porque el fuego avanza!
They evacuate Vilaflor, 1800 people…. because the fire progresses!
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Actualidad-Volc%C3%A1nica-de-Canarias-AVCAN/163883668446
Hi Judith, yes we are OK thanks. As you say the authorites have annouced that they are evacutating 1800 people from Vila Flor, as a preventative measure..hopefully this is just for the danger of smoke rather than that they think the flames will actually reach the houses The fire is still not under control ..there seem to be two main fronts, one in Vila Flor to the east and the other in Guia de Isora to the west. The heat must be unbearable for the firefighters as we have yet another calima, it is currently 41 degrees celcius where I am, it must be even hotter higher up – coupled with the heat from the fire and smoke it must be a nightmare…There have been specialised water aeroplanes flying down into the sea in Los Cristians to pick up sea water to drop over the flames…someone mentioned that seawater was not a good thing for the environment – maybe not, but at this stage who gives a fig! just put the flames out whatever way you can, I say!. Have just seen four fire-engines and two army trucks going down the mountain past my house, so hope this is a good sign that my area is under control..although I can still see smoke up there it seems to be significantly less than there was earlier, but still have white ash falling….I just hope that the wind does not pick up as that would really complicate things.
Have just spoken to my husband he says he has never known it so hot and he never really mentions the heat .
It must be so worrying for you please just take care.
just had a water plane flying over the house…
thought we were “out of the woods” but just went outside and I can see the fire up my way is far from out, huge red glow loads of smoke again, jeez will this never be over?
sorry to harp on, but things are not looking good here, the fire is definitely spreading and vis very much glowing bright red, the stench of the smoke is getting stronger and stronger, don´t get me wrong, I am not in danger, but it is scary to see that after all the fire-fighting efforts of today, that I think we are losing the battle against mother nature….
or.. we are losing the battle against some stupit idiot who started the fire to start with…even if it was accidental, it was monumentally stupid to burn anything at that altitude at this time of year in these weather conditions………..signs off in dispair.. hot and bothered Debbie in 40 degrees temperatures at 10.30 at night..with no air conditioning in her house….feeling feeling p****d off….thanks for “listening” to my mini rant..hopefully tomorrow will be a brighter day.
Not good Debbie! Hang in there, hopefully some miraculous lull in the wind or rain will fall. It hurts to see how one of the most beautiful places on earth is being devoured by flames. Any idea yet what (or rather whom, the whoms) started it?
Errrm… “hopefully some miraculous lull in the wind or rainfall will enable the firefighters to stop the fires” looks like a more complete sentence…
Debbie, thank you so very much for updating us with your situation there! Better and faster than any news service I know. You describe facts and feelings so well that it is like being there. I understand now that the situation is much more serious than it seemed in the beginning and that the firefighters are working under very difficult circumstances. Hope everything will be under control soon. Big hug for you and everyone who suffers from heat and smoke on the islands!
thanks Xana, I am not a weather expert, but the chance of a rainfall here i think, is absolutely ZERO…..it would be a miricle ………….and the wind is as best it can be at the moment..hardly any at all…….if the wind does pick up and get stronger then we are in a deep Sh** , I mean, deep trouble……….
DebbieZ stay safe.
Hey Sissel, it is so nice to “hear” a friendly “voice” when you are feeling low, thanks…I admit I am feeling a bit sorry for myself, and for my “adopted” island – I just want it all to be over and OK…. I have no criticism for the authorities who seem to be doing the very best they can …it´s just frustrating that despite all the efforts and bravery of the fire-fighters, helicopter pilots, water planes etc,, we seem to be fighting a losing battle…I have friends and work colleagues that have actually had to be evacuated from thier homes, so in retrospect, I am lucky…and should stop “bleeting” …that´s a good word for the Sheepy environment I am in don´t you think?
Goodnight all, I am going to try and sleep now…thanks again for listening to my woes…will give you another update tomorrow..hope it will be better news…for everyones sake…I would like to thank everyone for their concerns and kind comments..
Nice word, bleeting! But I think you are very brave and very realistic, not at all like bleeting, even you have good reasons to do so. – The word is perfect for our sheepy surrounding…
BBSW!
Hope when you read this by morning things will have improved—that the valiant efforts of all working on putting out the disasterous fire has gotten it under control. My thoughts are with you and your adopted island. Take care!
that looks like one large solar flare!
According to spaceweather.com ; sunspot complex AR1520-1521 generated a slow M1 class explosion unfolded over a period of hours. They often produce CMEs, but this one was not heading for Earth.
The red glow over Etna is clearly visible since a few days. What is happening in the Bocca Nuova?
A slow erruption? Or does the red glow cheat on our eyes and there is not very much happening?
If the past is anything to go by, it will slowly fill and spill out over the flanks. Might take a while though!
The HT has dropped: http://www.ct.ingv.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=201&lang=it
Stromboli also has a glow: http://www.ct.ingv.it/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=214&lang=it
But now lost in cloud?