Sheepy Dalek and NtL XXII, an evil riddle and answers to Name that Lava I and XV: Pico del Teide

As long as this post was assembled out of a draft in half an hour and i don´t know much about lavas myself … 2 points are to be earned here. One for the volcano, and one for the food which is most popular as a chliche. Try for the lava too, ( and other stuff ) Some extra bonus-points might get assigned.

Alan´s evil riddle:
Yes, German, sub-marine hydrothermally altered lava may exist, but it’s not me; I suppose I’m just a bit of an ole’ ‘rusty’ prototype rock!
What is my name?
What do I look like!

So this is my quick shot at this weeks bar opening. A toast to Carl!!!!!! Happy Birthday!.

Spica

Here comes the draft:

Answers to Name that lava #1


Teide Panorama ( Wikimedia Commons)

The answer to the very first Name that Lava competition and an image sent to Carl by DFMorvan was a lavabomb of Pico del Teide.

Picture by DF Morvan showing the first mystery lava.

Pico del Teide was also the answer to Name that Lava XV

Roques de Garcia.

Quote: TheWorldWonder.com “Los Roques De Garcia are the spectacular eroded rocks of an ancient volcanic crater wall in Teide National park. Tenerife is a stratovolcano capped by Las Canadas, one of the most impressive calderas (craters) in the world. The strange landscape inside the Canadas caldera has been used in feature films such as Star Wars, Planet of the Apes, and Ten Commandments.”

Teide is with 3,718 Spains highest Mountain, a volcano which last erupted 1909 from the El Chinyero vent on the north western Santiago rift. Porto del Cruz is in danger if it should erupt again. The surroundings of Teide are now forming the Teide National Park which is 18,990 hectares large  and was named a World Heritage Site by UNESCO. 2,8 million vistors are counted every year.

The Wikipedia article on Teide and its different stages of formation is worth reading: Teide Wikipedia

Information about Pico del Teide from GVP
Image Wikimedia Commons
The triangular shadow of Teide is one of the wonders of our world. Quote http://www.theworldwonders.com/africa/pico_de_teide.html : “At sunrise the triangular shadow of the Pico De Teide extends 124 miles across the Atlantic Ocean and thus form the world’s longest shadow.”

The phenomenon of a volcanoes shadow is explained with Nasa´s “astronomy picture of the day” ( July 5th. 2011)

Tourist info on Pico del Teide.

( Posted as a comment by Winner Schteve )
You can visit Teide even without a car, there is one bus a day from Los Cristianos in the South of Tenerife and one from Puerto de la Cruz in the North (both leaving the bus station at about 9am ish, returning from the National park at 4pm ish.) It is well worth knowing that if the first bus is full TITSA will lay on a second (and ensure that there is enough room for everyone on the return journey.)
Anyone can ascend to the “observation platform” which is approx 200m short of the summit either walking (for the superfit, with thier own car, i’m almost certain there is not enough time for this using the bus, though staying in the Parador Nacional del Teide is an option…) For the less energetic the cable car whisks you up there in a few minutes apporox 30 euros return… you can cable car up and walk down (or vice versa) but you will need good knees
If you want to visit the summit you will need a permit, available online from the National Park Authority, this is an arduous climb (200m, scchteeeeep, at altitude) from the cable car station…
Please remember that even at the base of the cable car, you are at altitude (2500m ish, my ears pop on the bus journey Take care those with heart/ respiratory conditions, the cable car is definately not recommended x
Sounds obvious, but watch out for the weather, it can be chilly especially at the top of the cable car (-5c one time I went!!!), but the sun is fierce because you are usually above the clouds and the wind will dry you out nearly as quickly as the sun…

Spica

GL Edit: Set first image width to 640. Happy Birthday Carl!

188 thoughts on “Sheepy Dalek and NtL XXII, an evil riddle and answers to Name that Lava I and XV: Pico del Teide

  1. You put that together in nalf an nour?
    Schwift work x
    Nice post on my personal favourite tourist volcano x
    Happy Friday All, weather here in Brighton looking “changeable” for Bank Holiday Weekend; my plan? Put a light weight transparent plastic roof on our “veteran” brick built shed…
    Fingers crossed x

      • That picture of the volcano shadow got my attention. Could be a new way of thinking about why the pyramids are shaped the way they are. Any hieroglyphics showing the volcano gods? Speaking of which – I was watching the Science Channel on TV the other night which featured New Zealand volcanoes and earthquakes. There was a beautiful aerial view of White Island. Looked way too pretty to be such a menace.

      • A cliché is a movable type used in printing presses that contains common words. Like “at” “and” and so forth. From that it quickly developed that you are saying something that is so much a universal truth that it is meaningless.

        Edit: Drawback of having grown up in a publishing family is that you got to learn a lot of archane knowledge that have been rendered useless by modern technology.

        • I miss when the Telex started clunking out a paper strip in the middle of the room.
          For some reason my father found it to be a good idea to have one at home in the living room…
          Internet was done with vacuum tubes hurtling through the building with texts on the way to the Linotronic Typesetter. And… pictures where sent on the first imagefax from Agfa. 1 black and white image took an hour to send. And lead plates for the printing presses.
          I will never forget the smell of a large printing press starting up late in the evening, ink, lead and hot oil together with fresh dampened paper (damp paper take ink better). Wonderfull smell. Childhood… Sigh 🙂

  2. Looking at the basalt columns and the colour of the soil that has formed from the degraded basalt, I reckon this is somewhere in Saudi Arabia/Jordan/southern Syria

      • “Giv’at Ga’ash, a black hill in the north of the makhtesh was once an active volcano which erupted thousands of years ago and caused it to be covered in lava which quickly cooled in the open air, converting it into basalt. Limestone covered by basalt can also be found in smaller black hills in the southern part of the makhtesh, including Karnei Ramon.
        Shen Ramon (Ramon’s Tooth) is a rock made of magma which hardened whilst underground. It later rose up through cracks in the Earth’s surface, and today stands in striking contrast with the nearby creamy coloured southern wall of the crater, as a black sharp-edged rock.
        In the centre of the makhtesh is Ha-Minsara (The Carpentry Shop), a low hill made up of black prismatic rocks, and interestingly, the rectangular pipes on the side of the hill are made of the same sort of sand found on beaches. As such, this is the only place in the world where prisms made of heated sand turned into liquid which, in cooling naturally formed rectangular and hexagonal prisms, can be seen. These prisms lost no space in the middle during formation.”
        Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhtesh_Ramon:

    • Thank you Sissel!

      Just got around to having cake. We opted for cake and coffee instead of going out. Everyone is just to tired. And now I am sitting at a café.

  3. Thanks Spica I have been lucky enough to go to the top of Teide (eyes closed in the cable car) it was so strange holding a snowball in my hand at the top.

    • Ditto on the B’ Day wishes—Friday birthdays were best— you have two extra days to celebrate (or recuperate)!

    • Thank you Judith and Maggiemom!
      Well, I did not do a lot of celebrating really. Worked like a maniac and then coffee and cake. And a loooooooong phone call to Hailey of course 🙂

  4. And “chliche” food – maybe falafel (deep-fried chickpea balls stuffed into pita bread).
    Sorry for all this comments but I had a bright moment.

  5. @Carl
    Happy Birthday!

    @Spica
    Interesting post, thanks! I am ‘somewhere interesting’ at the moment and have been picking up a few bits of lava – can I get your mail address? Carl has my e-mail address.

  6. hi schteve 42
    do you live at Brighton east sussex beacuse I live in peacehaven east sussex what a small world is’nt it the weather should be nice on sunday so the southeast news said.

  7. Evening Spica. There is a misunderstanding from the start. This pillow is Not from Teide on Tenerife, it’s from Gran Canaria near Roque Nublo (to be precise, near the parking place to go to R.N).
    Hope this help…

    • @ GLurking—Yea, I have been wondering the same- keeping an eye on that massive T.S.— surely to become a huge hurricane once it hits the G. of M. Get out of Dodge!

    • Nope… not boarding up. Though I think I will go get propane and gas this weekend.

      There is a bit of dry air choking it down, and it’s driving headlong into a shear zone. Haiti’s 10000 foot mountains, and the 6000 foot ones of Cuba aren’t helping it any. They tend to gut passing storms.

      Based on the track, I’m thinking it’s gonna have about 24 to 36 hours of good water to draw off of before it makes landfall. That’s gonna be the key as to how strong it will get.

      I do know that this weekend is the time to go Spanish and King Mackerel fishing. They hit hard when there is an approaching storm. The down side it I have to go do a couple of service calls on Monday… right along the center of the landfall envelope.

      Fun fun. I’ll have by raincoat and I’ll take a bag of biscuits with me. :D. If push comes to shove I’ll hit the back roads and motor back to the house away from the traffic. (I’ve seen the Interstate at a complete stand still with traffic from the over-hyped weak storms)

      • Aren’t you glad you don’t live in Tampa? The traffic and security will be a nightmare without a potential hurricane. No doubt about it – small town rural America is a blessing.

        • Actually… I am extraordinary pissed off about Tampa.

          First… it’s a security nightmare. The “Anarchist” groups are planning on making a large showing. Outlying (from Tampa) municipalities throughout Florida are contributing manpower to assist in the security requirements.

          Isaac, with it’s landfall potential, places a requirement on some of those areas to not contribute that manpower. Expecting them to do so would be ludicrous with a land-falling tropical system.

          So… on top of all that, our DUFAS Vice President is being dispatched to go stick his muffin head into the middle of it to campaign for our most illustrious shitbag. A VP’s security detail has to be interfaced with, and that just adds to the nightmare scenario that is brewing for Tampa.

          To me… it fully validates my opinion that this group of self serving charlatans is hell bent on causing as much strife for common people as possible. Anarchist groups, if not able to breach the security cordon of the convention, will do as much destruction to the peripheral area as possible just so that they can get attention. Who will that affect? The small businesses, the residents, the mom and pop stores and shops.

          Yep.. all is going according to their plan. And I sincerely hope that they burn in hell for it.

          • First, Biden has cancelled his Tampa visit, citing the exact reasons you gave, authorities need to be able to focus on the storm and the RNC circus.
            Second, 5,000 of those ‘Anarchists” will be everyday citizens from voting groups, labor unions and civil rights groups. I sure hope the Tampa cops can tell the difference.
            Third, I have great respect for 99% of your posts, but I’m afraid this one isn’t up to your usual standards 😦

          • GL Edit: Moved here in order to keep it in context.

            …”I’m afraid this one isn’t up to your usual standards…”

            Thats quite alright. There are some positions and stances in here that I fully disagree with.

            As to the cancellation, thats news to me, It would be interesting to see a source for it. I still stand behind my interpretation of motives for considering such a stunt. It displays the callous nature of the entities involved. If true, it would be the only prescient thing that I’ve seen him do.

            An interesting side note, I used to be in and support that political affiliation. It was a family tradition. That affiliation changed, I grew a bit more perceptive in my B/S detection, and I no longer support the ideology… which is completely different than when I was in that camp. I also don’t support the other side, though I am registered as such. I would vote for Elmer Fudd If I thought he had a chance of stopping the buffoonery. Having to support, or augment the subsistence of three generations living under one roof tends to add clarity to ones view of the economic malaise. (I also don’t even see the reason for either convention, this is the 21st century and no one has to ride a horse several hundred miles to go select a candidate… which is why the flipping things were started a hundred and fifty some odd years ago.)

            @Carl. Currently, there is a moderate push that laments the evil of American Football and the liability of the teams for injuries. I don’t really think that these people comprehend what the other option is if or when American Football goes away. Soccer fans (the extreme ones) fall into the category of full on psychotic when their team looses, or wins… depending on the mood.

      • To me those Tampan anarchists seems to be the usual semi-confused kids that are against organized politics. We’ve had them around for half a century. And I do understand their point a bit, just having two sets of idiots to vote for would drive me bonkers. It is better with many sets of nuts, then they do less crap. The older I get, the more I think that all politics is wrong, and that the best way is the old Roman adagé, “To divide and conquer”.

        Now, wait untill you get Football Hooligans! Those are the major problem. They do not need any reason for ultra-violence. They just attack anything on sight, they are highly organized into decent sized armys.
        I guess you will get them soon in the US now that you stupidly enough have imported Football. I flat out refuse to call it soccer just out of you guys having American Football. :mrgreen:

        Instead of complaining about the youths that soon will grow up into law abiding members of the Republicans, worry about the incoming hooligans. I give you 5 to 10 years before you have grown them in dangerous numbers. Hint, ban football while you have time.

        I miss going to sporting events in the US. It was so nice to sit down in a stadium with a beer and a sausage seeing fathers that took their children to the games at hand. Terrific atmosphere, and you actually felt safe there. Here there is no way to bring your family to a game. The risk of them getting killed in a sporting riot is just to big.
        Ban Football while you still have time.

    • The US Navy, despite it’s new found zeal for being politically correct, has a significant amount of money invested in ships. As such, they stay on top of what the weather is doing, with a vengeance. Hose up a prognostication and they could loose a serious chunk of change and quite possibly, kill a lot a Sailors.

      When it comes to tropical systems… I tend to rely on their data to second guess what the political hacks at NOAA have to say.

      Now… it’s not perfect, but the last time I checked, the US Navy used a variation of the “Nogaps” model in their prognostication. Based on the latest update from them, just before landfall this system may max out at 75 kt winds (139 kph) with gusts to 90 kts (166 kph). The track looks to be right at Panama City, with the North East quadrant driving over Port St Joe. That’s gonna be a ride for the folks down there… if it hits like that. Thousands of acres (hectares) of pine and low lying land. The pine will probably survive quite well, they are seriously flexible trees. I’ve seen the tops of some of them bent over at 90° in the wind and not snap… well, most of them not snap. Those that do are quite alarming.

  8. Happy Birthday Carl!!!
    And congratulations to Sissel for cracking the lava riddle.
    Now, what would be the cliche food in this area. Falafel? Hummus? Taboulleh? Pita bread? Kebab?

  9. Hail B’s ‘n’ G’s!
    Flying visit for an hour or so!
    Playing ‘Sherlock Holmes’ at the moment over something/one that may take me on a wide ranging goose-to-cook chase, so may be about on a ‘bitsy’ basis over next few weeks!
    Riddly-dee!!

      • Carl forwarded the email, so i can go around and hint a tiny little bit too. But i dont know, You lot are just too clever, even though the riddle is really devious, i am sure you will figure it out anyway.

    • I have the answer to the Riddle. 🙂
      So, I can hint a bit tomorrow.

      And all should be warned. Alan has taken this to a complete new level of evility. I was drop-jawed when I saw the answer of how his devious mind operates.

    • … so this group is claiming that the Japan side of the fault went up, effectively snapping, the other side dropping, and then squeezing part of the accretionary prism upward like a piston? (due to the lower volume area that it could occupy)

      Does this account for the land mass movement on the island proper?

      Hmm…. It would be interesting to see how peer review works out on this one.

        • Can’t say. I haven’t seen the data on the actual crust movement. Sort of been waiting around for it.

          But, the idea of shoving the accretionary wedge off to one side… with it acting as a “piston” would account for the apparent increase in the yield. (and enhance the Black Swan nature of it) Previously no one expected something of this scale.

          One of the “things” about Black Swan events that make it fit the definition better… is that after the fact, the sequences and mechanism that made the Black Swan are explained as ‘well, now that we know the facts we should have seen the danger.’

          I’m not lambasting the “group” at all, just trying to wrap my noggin around it.

          The Lituya Bay tsunami (though it was actually a “bath tub” event) was enhanced by the formation of an air pocket behind the falling rock mass. This increased the displacement and the size of the resulting wave. The “after the fact” analysis also qualified it as a true Black Swan.

          BTW, thanks for the paper link! (provided I can figure out how to get around the paywall)

          Nope… I guess it’s not that important of a paper for the general public. I’ll leave out the other comment an keep it polite…

          • The link was placed in the BBC article that Peter pointed out in his above comment, I just pasted it here only to show it was not merely a news hoax or anything of the kind. And no, I didn’t pay for the article.
            Sorry if I didn’t explain it beforehand…
            And thanks for another Black Swan explanation, Lurk.
            🙂

    • Det blir en lagom lugn kväll. Lite tårta med kaffe. Har haft en helvetiskt hektisk vecka så det fanns ingen energi till att göra mer än så i dag. 🙂

      We are only discussing the New World Order.

    • If you want to make me really happy, let me sail the yawl one of these days. I did my A license at the age of 5 and ever since we had to sell my dads boat, i have sailing withdrawal symptoms.

  10. Carl got a birthday today? Well I beat him to it, by many years I reckon! 1949 was mine, congrats to us and let’s live to be 100 and still love volcanoes.

    • Grimmster, how very nice to have you back again!!! Hope you are getting a lot better. It sounded a horrific accident so all good wishes for your continuing recovery. Maybe next chance you get to go to El Hierro Bob may be performing properly for us all. I was worried that the worst that happened was that you got arrested stealing restingolites. Life is so unpredictable but hope it runs smoothly for you now.

  11. “sub-marine hydrothermally altered lava” and “a bit of an ole’ ‘rusty’ prototype rock!” bring El Hierro restingolites to my mind. Probably way off the mark here but perhaps someone can carry this thought further and the “Yes, German” (Ja?) doesn’t seem to fit anywhere. I love cryptic crosswords and this riddle is certainly cryptic!!

  12. And just since we where talking about the difference between Ketches and Yawls a few days ago.
    I just got a mail from Sparkman & Stephens that the sister ship (first of the type) of my ship is up for sale.

    So if you wish to see a Yawl here is the image of Palawan II. Notice that the aft mast is behind the rudderstock. A Ketch has the aft mast infront of the Rudderstock.

    The boat is the second most beautiful thing I have seen, the most beautiful is my wife.

  13. Happy Birthday to Carl and Newby. and most of all, welcome back to Grimmster. I hope that you’re well on the road to recovery. I’ll raise a glass of Springbank to all three of you from here in not- so- sunny Scotland. Cheers .

  14. Riddle again: gneiss or migmatite. Apearance of the first: layed; and, of the second, schist or gneiss interlayered / streaked with granite.

  15. Happy Birthday Carl and Newby, been away for a bid missed all of the fun you had, here is something for you to enjoy
    I don’t know how to put it her, so will email instead enjoy

  16. @ Carl – Grattis på födelsedagen! (Hope I didn’t say something weird, I giggled that.) 🙂

    @ Newby, Happy Birthday to you too, I hope you have a good day and are doing well. I am wishing you lots of chocolate!

  17. Interesting… I was watching the Ancient Apocalypse episode “Death on the Nile” which looks at the fall of the Egyptian Old Kingdom. While watching it, I was trying to localize Lake Moeris, the ancient name of the lake in the Faiyum Oasis.

    At some time during the fall of the Old Kingdom, the lake dried up. This was during Bond Event 3, also known as the 4.2 kiloyear event. Additionally, Akkadian Empire also collapsed.

    Anyway… unlike the Indiana State Legislature who in 1897, tried to legislate π (in some versions of the story, to 9), the Ancient Egyptians came pretty flipping close to getting it correct. In problems 41 – 46 of the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus, a value of 256/81 is used in the volume calculations. While not actually π, it’s a pretty good approximation. 3.160493827 instead of 3.141592654…

    That’s a difference of about 0.018901174, or 0.60% off of the actual value. And that’s from about 1650 BC.

    • The old Egyptians very rather clever ones, yes.

      But the title of the film first reminded me of Agatha Christie and the film with Peter Ustinov. 🙂

        • I could not reply to your ( 1 before) last comment
          The lavabomb on NtL #1 needs to be cleared, meaning, we finally need a correct answer and i need to write a new post with the correct answer

    • Little known fact, due to the weather weakening the big powers the little known tribes of Isreal succeded with creating a small country. It rapidly fell apart due to infighting. The actual time that biblical Israel existed was between 50 and 200 years depending if you count the left over remnants after the civil wars and splittings.
      As soon as the weather got better the powers came back and stomped what remained down under without breaking a sweat.
      And then came the Romans and did the second Largest stomping in history. Only Djinghiz and his son Kublai did a better job at stomping, but they never bothered with that little corner of the world (Mongolian perspective on things).

  18. Happy Birthday Carl and Newby! Hope you both have seriously awesome weekends and a good year to follow! cheers!

    mm.. that was a damn fine drop. (I love these virtual birthday parties where you get to have the whole bottle to yourself, nah, just kidding, I’ll keep it for this evening).

  19. As for the picture, that looks like really strange stuff. Columnar jointing so it was obviously at one stage a liquid that cooled slowly but its seems to crumble to dust and not have any crystal integrity at all and the colour looks about as far removed from basalt as you can get. So I am going for a huge flow of baked and ground tapioca, you know one of those old testament type events, just this one obviously didn’t make it into the book, when God was still playing around with the ingredients.

    As for the food, I think I’ve got that too, it’s either pork or penguin. How did I do?

  20. Renato posted this over on eruptions, but a 5.8 happened in almost exactly the same place where the Kermadec submarine eruption ocurred last week. Keep an eye out for a possible second eruption?

  21. G´morning! Having milk and honey for breakfast, wasn´t that also the food of the promised land? Or would that be too cliché? 😉
    Unfortunately they don´t sell mana at the local shops.

    • Nono, it was I who bunged the original post up. And I forgot to correct it way back when.

      So, just so everyone knows, the fault was mine and only mine. I had gotten the picture sent to me with the correct answer, and still I went and wrote up the post about Teide. Not one of my greater moments.

      (Giving Spica a comfort hug)

      • Guess that leaves me with one point for Alkali basalt on one of the later ntls 🙂 Had wondered about that since the very beginning; but talked myself into believing that Teide had flung a lava bomb all the way to Roque Nublo on Gran Canaria… Roque Nublo is well worth a visit, as is the highest point of the Island; Pico de las Nieves, there’s a military base on the very top but the views are schpectacular…

  22. Alan’s riddle is playing around in my brain…. after looking around a little, this came up: Goethite, a common mineral, formed by hydrothermal alteration or weathering of iron-bearing minerals, mostly oxides. Common in iron ore deposits. But Alan says: “it’s not me; I suppose I’m just a bit of an ole’ ‘rusty’ prototype rock!” So maybe it is just the origin of the Goethite (before altering), an iron ore.
    Maybe hematite or magnetite.

  23. Regarding the small commotion in Tampa.

    I read up on it. And my god what a small scale problem that is.
    “In August 2008, federal authorities arrested a man who was planning to use a molotov cocktail during the Republican National Convention in St. Paul, Minn.”

    Any football hooligans would be ashamed at that. A normal football riot involves hundreds of molotovs actually being thrown…
    And that the confused kids “could target nearby infrastructure, including businesses and transit systems” is almost cute. That is a normal local Football pub here on a non-game day.

    Ban Football while you guys still have a chance it is soon to late.

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